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Well, I never thought I would see this day, which is.

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Us sitting down to record our very first podcast episode.

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So, hi, Susan.

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Hey, hey.

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It's awesome to finally be here doing this, and yeah, we're just

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in like a, a cloud nine situation where we're super excited to be here.

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it's a moment where, again, I just, I, I never thought this day would come

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because for so long in my mind I was like, We're not gonna start our own

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podcast, like, we'll just be a guest.

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Like, why, why would we start our own?

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Right.

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Yeah.

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I, I loved being that, you know, when you talk about being the

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guest, I loved being the person that brought chips to the barbecue.

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You know, I'd rather be the guest on podcasts.

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And it got to the point where, how many conversations had we had where

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we both looked at each other after the conversation and literally at the same

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time would say, If only this was a podcast, how many people could walk away

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with some really awesome wisdom nuggets and giggles and you know, some smiles and.

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Maybe, you know, scratching their head, but either way, they were

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walking away with something.

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They were never ever gonna walk away with empty hands.

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Right?

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Yes.

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It feels good to be finally here committing to this endeavor.

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Oh, it's gonna be so fun.

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So, we wanna take you listeners back a few months.

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This is the end of last year as everyone is planning, you know,

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in October, November, December.

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Like, how are they gonna wrap up the year and what are they

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gonna do in the next year?

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And one of the conversations that not only prompted us to pursue this podcast,

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but I think is a bigger conversation we wanna explore in this podcast in

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general, is this idea of like the choices we make to which projects we take on.

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So, We at the end of last year, were like, okay, so what do we wanna do in 2023?

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And my perspective, well, my perspective, hold on, hold on.

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Don't give the story away.

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My perspective is, Yeah, but is that gonna make us money?

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How hard is that gonna be?

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How time?

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Cuz I go bright for the technical.

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So super clinical.

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Which is so funny cuz I was an English teacher.

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You would think I'd be like artistic and and open.

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That's, but you were always about the details.

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Right?

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And that's kind of the magic of the fun that we have together.

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You are the not always a hundred percent.

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Cuz that's not fair.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Just that you're a hundred percent the detail.

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partner here, because there are times I can be the detailed partner, it's

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far and few between, but, I don't wanna paint you into a corner of the

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detailed person, but, you know, I, I think it's fair to say, you know,

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you were asking in your fact finding.

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How do we do this?

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Why would we do this?

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Well, and you know me, I've got a, I've, I will ask you a million questions before

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we take action on something, but there was a point that you said that still

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to this day, nearly, you know, a couple months later when I brought it up, and

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of course, you know, my mind was like, let's do the pros and cons and if this is

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gonna make us money or blah, blah, blah.

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Yeah.

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And you said, can we just do something that's also going to be fun?

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Yes, please.

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And I don't know why that was, so that took me like back a second, you

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know, to, to digest and think about.

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But I think that's the question we wanna explore in this opening

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episode is I love that having and giving space to having Yeah.

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More fun in your business.

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So I wanna hear from your perspective.

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Because you're, you're super savvy in business.

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You, you were a business banker.

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You've done all these cool things in business, and I know you're super

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motivated by, you know, obviously creating a profitable business.

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But tell me more about this perspective on fun.

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for me it's really about finding grace and ease.

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And, you hear today a lot of folks saying, you know, Emma's having fun.

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I miss that.

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And for me, I actually was saying that at the last part of last year, you know, the

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second, third quarter I was starting to get a little draggy and I was like, you

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know, I want, I wanna have some more fun.

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So fun usually comes from creative.

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So I wanted to have a little discovery and I've never done anything like

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this, so I figured, you know what, um, we, I love having, Conversations.

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I love sharing information and exchanging ideas.

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That, to me, is all fun, and that's invigorating and stimulating

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and, uh, did I say it was fun?

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So fun to be def defined in very many ways.

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For me, I was found in business.

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When there's a creative element where you can learn a little bit about

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yourself and your clients and do things with grace and ease, then it's fun.

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It's not work.

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It's actually joy and I think it's okay to reclaim that back in our small businesses.

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I think it's almost imperative.

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Everything else is so damn serious and, you know, heavy and overwhelming

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and, Why can't we be childlike looking for fun in our day?

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It's interesting that you're defining fun in that way.

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Cause I think fun for me, uh, I can take myself way too seriously.

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Oh gosh.

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Like everything, you know, when I get into it and I'm not thinking about it,

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like every, everything I create, whether it's a, it's a P D F or a workshop

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or something, like I can lean into the, everything depends on this being

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absolutely perfect and, and, and I think the pressure of that after a while,

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you've raised the point of like, okay.

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what's the point of doing all of this if you're not having fun?

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And I think sometimes I can so be an all or nothing energy of, if

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I'm working, it has to feel hard.

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I have to be working and you know, if I'm not careful, I'll default into that.

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And I think it's that balance of you've gotta do the things that are gonna

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obviously grow the business and, and you've gotta work on fulfilling and doing

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what you know clients have paid you to do.

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But in the meantime, can you also have some fun on the side?

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Yeah.

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And you know, I love that you, you are really clear.

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And honestly, transparent about it.

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Most folks are really hesitant to share that.

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Oh, thanks.

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Uh, you're welcome.

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you know, a lot of folks are really afraid to share that kind of, Transparency.

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So I, so that's really cool.

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I think what's interesting with what you've shared is

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that's also being very 30.

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it's really interesting.

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In our small businesses, we have so many things going on, right?

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In our business, we have multi-generations, you know, um, I'm

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in my fifties, you're in your thirties.

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our businesses also have a life stage.

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And not to go meta right out of the gate, but I'll just drop a little cherry

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here in the sense of saying, you know, our business is not a toddler anymore.

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It's a teenager as well.

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so there are times where it wants to do things that are new and it's

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like, but it's also, I think we're giving space for our business to do

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things that we are like, oh no, no, no, no, you're not ready for that yet.

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Or You can't do that yet.

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And I can expand on that a second.

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You know, I think where we see that even showing up for our clients, this

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idea of that friction, that like, I'm ready for whatever that next

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phase is or that next evolution is.

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I'm seeing that happen a lot with entrepreneurs right now, and I think.

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Even if I think about the al the clients I'm working with right now in, in

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building online courses and, and, showing them how to teach their expertise.

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So much of it is like, what is fun for you to teach that you

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know is also gonna be profitable?

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Like, what do you wanna teach?

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How you wanna teach it, you taught it this way before, but how can we

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create space for you to teach it in a way that's going to be super engaging?

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Welcome.

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And you could, you could even just see like when we're on calls, the

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change in body language, cuz I think.

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It's a complete energy shift because they're not efforting it.

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Oh, wait a second.

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I can be relaxed and have fun.

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Yes, please.

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And the, the creativity that flows out of that, it's, there's less friction, there's

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less resistance, there's less hesitancy.

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There's a real openness in it.

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And I can appreciate in where you would be helping them putting courses and

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curriculum together, cuz sometimes.

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You know, that's so foreign to many business owners and leaders, right?

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They, they can talk about it, but you help them crafting the pedagogy to it.

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You know, the step by step deconstructing it to reconstruct it, right?

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That doesn't sound like fun to me, but to you, that's fun making sense out of a lot

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of information and bringing it down to.

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Something that would stick, or am I, you know, Hey, what do I know?

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Well, how do you, like, how do you, because you, you work with not the

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same type of entrepreneur necessarily, but I'm just curious, like where do

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you see your clients either missing opportunities to have fun or where

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do you see your clients having fun?

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Like, I'm just curious what you're observing with them.

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Actually, it's really cool.

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the ones that I see having the most fun.

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Believe it or not, I think it's more of a mature person.

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So someone that is a defined mature.

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Okay.

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You already read my mind.

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I was like, wait a second, I've gotta follow up question here.

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I'm already anticipating that.

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So a mature person, I'm quite a mature person at 45 and above.

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Right in our twenties and thirties, man, we're just trying to figure stuff out.

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We're just No.

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Also, no one get offended by that phrasing.

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Yeah.

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Just please keep putting that out there.

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Yeah.

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it's really a very general phrase.

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Right.

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so the question is, how are my clients having fun?

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ones that have mature businesses where they've put the time and dime into

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creating it and the, and they're really deciding, should I stay or should I go?

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And I tend to have a really fun and I mean that with great intention,

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a fun conversation because we're about discovery, right?

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We're gonna discover where do you want to go, where, how do you wanna show up?

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Do you wanna stay in this business or do you wanna recreate?

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And see, there's a lot of discovery and creativity and to

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me that's a lot of fun energy.

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So, they're the ones having a lot of fun.

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The ones that are really.

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Not having a fun time right now are, folks that are usually

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about in their thirties and their business is younger than five years.

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It, this is tough time.

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This is a really tough time, but here's the great news, you know, and they

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don't see it yet because they haven't been through it, but I have, the

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great news is on the other side of it, they're gonna be so good in business.

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And so solid and so strong that they're not ever gonna bend or break.

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They can, yield a little bit, right?

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They can mold.

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Nothing's gonna knock these guys down.

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Nothing after this.

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So, I'm encouraging them to find the funds.

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So we're working, I'm working really hard with them to have it, and I have

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to say most are open to receiving it, which is really cool into their credit.

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Well, and I, I think that, that for the two of us anyway, that idea,

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especially after 2020 in the past couple years has been, you know,

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when we, we think about like, how, what do I wanna do in my business?

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How do I wanna run this business?

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Yeah.

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What, what do I wanna spend my time doing?

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And creating a lot more intention around that.

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I think, I don't know if I had ever really heard, Of this concept of

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fun being part of the conversation.

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I don't know if it was just implied, but I don't know if I'd ever explicitly read

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a book that had a chapter on like how to More fun in your business or, yeah.

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I don't know if it was ever part of a program.

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Now I understand like so many of the books, so many of the programs

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that we were in, especially before 2020, were all about like y y

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you're building this business.

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You were getting out there, you got stuff to do.

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But it's interesting.

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Now there's an appetite for this.

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I think people are looking to have a conversation around this, and

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I know the two of us are like, when we make decisions, when we

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say yes to opportunities, it's is this good for the business?

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Right?

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Is this going to benefit the business and is it fun?

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Yeah.

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You know, here's the thing, you're gonna be married to it for a while and if you

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don't get joy, if it doesn't deliver fun in the experience, That doesn't

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mean you throw it away, you build it in.

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Oh, okay.

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So see, that's just the distinction, right?

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Because from my all or nothing thinkers who are like, well, this

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isn't fun, so I'm just going to throw it out and close up tomorrow.

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It's the exact opposite in this instance.

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And that's, see to me, that's even fun because that brings in the strategy

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component, which I drew over I love.

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So for me, helping them recognize, no, no, no, it's just.

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Moving the chairs around and you get a whole different view.

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Well, it's the same thing in your business.

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We're just gonna move a few things around and we're gonna allow

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some more fun and some more ease and flow, and it really does.

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It takes about a quarter, that's it, three months, 120 days a quarter.

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to really, you know, take a hard look at your business and ask, where's the fun?

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Mm, how can we make it more fun?

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And it's usually the stuff that you used to do when you first started it and then

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you thought, oh, we gotta work harder, or we're gonna be more serious, or blah,

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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever the, the BS of the day was.

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and here's a really good bottom line, if you're doing the same thing you

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were doing pre covid today, Well, yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's not gonna be fun because the world's changed and we've gotta recognize that.

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I mean, it's, it's changed.

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Well, and it's also, I think people in a broader conversation, I am definitely

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feeling people wanna engage with this.

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Like our clients and customers wanna engage with us differently.

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Especially in the service space, right, where it's like the person

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is selling a, a consulting or sort of coaching based service.

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I'm looking to, to have a different learning experience, kind of

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coaching, training experience.

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I want information differently.

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I want, yeah, so it's this interesting.

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You can't do things the way you were before.

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So even the way you approach business, I have seen it a, a huge shift in how

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we've approached the business and I think we've experienced, especially after

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2020, like incredible success, right?

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Yeah.

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With where we've grown with this, we've been very richly rewarded.

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Yeah.

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Cause see this is one of those nuggets I, I would hope someone was really hearing.

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in on our conversation, right, is how did we, benefit when most weren't?

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Well, that's because we were really committed to hearing and

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showing up for them and our selves.

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You know, just because you're in a place of service and support doesn't mean

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that you could get your own self and your business, And so, for me, being

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able to really see them, our clients, do well and we got to welcome even more

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business in, which is hugely gratifying.

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And quite honestly, let's say the word of the day.

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Fine.

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thinking about this conversation and the theme of it is, There's been a lot

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of opportunities we have said no to.

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It has, but the ones we've said yes to, with a lot of intention that

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have been more fun, have yielded so much more just excitement, ease.

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It's like, oh, I love working with this client, or I love working on

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this project, and then in, return, the client, our clients feel it too.

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And I'm speaking not just for us, but for anyone.

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Right.

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If you look at the decisions you've made and the, and the projects you've

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said yes to, and the, the, the services you've decided to deliver, when there's

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an element to fun, I mean, yeah, I think we even took a risk, quote unquote.

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don't like to say I, I take many risks in this business because

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I'm a big planner in that regard.

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I don't bet I plan in the business, but.

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I think to your point, Jess, where we had a couple of projects

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presented to us that were out of the norm and we, yeah, let's do it.

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What the hell?

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Why not?

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Well, this being one of them.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Do, do you wanna know what I really hope happens as a result of this podcast?

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What I was thinking about this, other day I saw something on Instagram reels.

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It was this older woman and she was reflecting on, you know, I'm out of that.

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I can't wait for phase, I can't wait for.

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And I started crying when I watched it.

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Right.

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And I don't wanna get Saffy here, but I think one of the things that you pointed

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this out to me once and I wanna get so much better with it, is I'm so used

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to living five years from now, right?

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Like, I'm so used to living on the other side of this, or when I just

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get to this or when I, you know, when this is done and I so want to.

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no, I don't wanna say live in the moment.

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That's so cliche.

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That's not what I'm articulating.

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But, but I think having more fun I think is gonna teach me how to

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appreciate these smaller moments and actually enjoy the process a

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little bit more instead of always being so end of the project oriented.

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Like, okay, so when we're done with this, I'll enjoy it.

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When, when I finish this I'll, I'll have fun and I wanna start having more fun

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and enjoying the moment in the process.

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I think we hear a lot about that and I, I like that I.

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I've always admired that idea, but I think I really wanna start embodying that.

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I wanna start living that, I'm not happy for that.

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Yeah.

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I think this, I think this podcast is gonna help just with

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the, let's, let's just have fun.

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Let's see what happens and let's just have fun with it.

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Right.

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And I'm, you know, with anything you step into creatively, you never quite

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know how it's gonna go or what you're gonna be like on the other side and.

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So I'm curious, like What do you hope happens with this podcast?

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I, I would hope for plan B, I'm a terrific believer in, you know, we're going into

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something here with the intentions of having fun and discovering and sharing

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and connection and talking, and.

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At this stage, I'm always looking at plan B.

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Where would that lead to?

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What door will that open?

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What opportunity will that present?

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What person will I get to know as a result of, the possibilities is what

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I'm, what I'm intoxicated by, you know?

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And you know, just in this moment, It's a dual thing.

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I, I just wanted to do it.

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Why not?

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Let's give it a go.

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And I hope that our listeners, will embrace this, you know,

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commitment to the now and what we're looking to is share with them.

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I think that would be lovely and I'm looking forward to hearing from them

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and them guiding us as we hope to guide them in some small, humble way.

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So that's what I'm excited about is all of the, potential.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I love that.

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to wrap this up, cause I feel like the two of us have just really left

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it with such a powerful intention.

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I think.

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We have to figure out how to address you as listeners.

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Are you dear listeners?

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Do we, do we say you like we're so many things that we,

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we could figure out, right?

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but for now we'll say to our, a good friend that has pulled up a

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chair at the table with us, right?

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So, give yourself some permission to.

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Say yes to something fun.

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Whether that's something small, whether that's saying yes to starting

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a podcast like we are, or whether that is, you know, just, just making

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a bigger decision with your business.

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Whatever it is, start to infuse fun into your business and

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allow the possibility to happen.

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Give, give yourself permission to have that possibility happen.

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And quite frankly, there's gonna be something so fun, so creative, so

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exciting on the other side of that.

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So we would love to hear.

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What that fun thing is that you are going to bring into your business.

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How are you gonna bring the fun into your business?

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And I think with that, we're gonna let you go.

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Thank you dear your friends for listening.

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All right.

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You know what?

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Thank you for creating some space for us to share with you today.

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Yeah, thank you for listening to our first episode, especially

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if you made it this far.

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So we'll see.

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You.

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Don't you love that in like long social media post If

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you've made it this far, right.

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This.

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Thank you for, tuning in with us for our very first episode, and we can't

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wait to see you in our next episode.

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So we'll catch you later.